This guy is 100% right, I haven't smoked weed in over a year and after a week in school, I had just made it back from the DMV they called me to the office staying they sent my test to the lab and I had THC in my system. That's not possible! I'm black, one of the 3 in my class and every black person that passed the DMV tests and had made it to the truck training part of the course CRE trainers had failed them for one reason or another. Ceder Hills TX CRE school is not for black people, they will get you out of there by any means. (If You Are Black I Wouldn't Recommend This Company!!) After telling them that's not right, they told me to get om stuff out of their room and they were shock because I drive from Fort Worth were I have a house. If you are from another state with no funds other then your $70 or $100 for your CDL's you are F*cked because CRE Trainer Will Stop You!! I only seen old white men get the job, no one young of color male or female.

C.R.England's focal point is to enhance the monetary gain of it's trainers. With as little as 30 days experience, you can become a phase 1 trainer. This means, that an 80, 000 pound rig is motoring down the same freeways and streets that your family uses, with a driver or drivers who could conceivably have no more than 60 days experience, combined. Unsafe at any speed. If you are a company driver, who will only be used for the "short hop" loads the lessor's do not want. You will starve. The company is guilty of unfair business practices. The company is guilty of "bait and switch", telling drivers they will get more miles with a leased truck. When you lease a truck from them, you get someone else's problem truck. I counted 46 trucks in their leasing yard. It told me a lot of folks were defaulting on their leases. Why? They were either being raped for the shop repairs, or they weren't making any money. At any rate, in their minds it was cheaper and better for them to turn the truck in, than to continue on this pipe dream invented by the trucking company and it's employees. And if you are thinking of becoming a company driver, C.R.England dosen't want company drivers. You will be shuffled around, and you still won't get your own truck. One man I talked to was with them for 4 months, no truck. Every rumor, like 3 people in one truck, crappy paychecks, (he had 1 good one), not being able to truck in the 11 western, 6 days with no showers, for instance, happened to this guy. He was from PHX, and he almost went broke being stuck on Hershey "short hops" out of PA. So he decided to team, and they could never connect him and his buddy, who at the time was stuck on the "short hops" around Hershey. At this point he was at the terminal for a week in SLC waiting for them to connect him with his buddy. Finally, he asked to wait at home in PHX, and said he had never seen anyone so willing to send a driver home in his life. The two of them were talking on the phone and the final verdict was, "They want us both to quit." Do yourself a favor. Cross England, Werner, and Swift off your list. The smaller the driver pool is, the better deal you will get. At least these smaller companies treat their drivers with some respect. At the big 3 companies, it's all about herding them through the turnstile. What else could explain 137% turnover at England?

Boy I wanna run out and drive for 180 days so I can become a certified CRE Trainer, this is why CRE has the highest safety rating out there, this is why they had 9 roll overs last month, and may I add that most of the roll overs the Trainer who was suppose to be training the trainee was asleep in the bunk.
Does one get a wall certificate or some special cert. if one becomes a trainer after 180 days...?

My wife and I went to their Utah training facilty in december of 2008 to get our CDL licenses and lease a tractor from their lease program. They are professional scam artists... They make millions off thier students and more from the lease program, that is how these shitbirds make thier revenue... they dont make money as a trucking company, most of the drivers driving for them are getting so ripped off that they quit and go to enougher trucking company to make money to pay for the costs of the CR Englands programs. They will take take take and perpously leave you stranded 3000 miles from home with no money. They have no loads... who would hire a trucking company with pissed off drivers???? that would drop off their merchandise where ever when the drivers figure out how bad CR England is ripping them off..:.

Save your self the hasle and go to a truck driving school to get your CDL, The job connect and US goverment has programs that pay 100% of the cost of the training;. if you can not afford it your self|. We did just that and the Goverment paid $1700, .00 a piece to go to the nearest driving school in our city'. CR England wanted $6000..00 plus intrest to get a CDL licence?. We told them to stick it where the sun dont shine the second day we were there.

HappywithCRE - "Trainer" this is why CRE has the highest safety rating for accidents, due to those that complete 180 days of what driving, and now you are an "experienced instructor". Another CRE instructor oh boy.

I have a cdl from previous trucking, but was out of driving for about three years. I contacted CR England for a job and was told by the recruiter that I would be hired but needed to take a refresher course to insure I could still drive and update on any laws, log books, etc. I was told the course I would be attending would only cost me $100.00 and it would be 1 week long, then on a truck with a trainer for a week longer. I arrived in Salt Lake City and was told no room in the facility that I would be bussed to a motel and would have to bring all my luggage back each moring. I had about 50 pounds worth of canned food since they did not provide meals. I was placed in the hotel (on a Sunday) and had to stay there for 3 days before they found me a room with 7 other guys, all sleeping on very wobbly bunk beds. The same type my young children have. When I arrived on Monday, I was told I would be attending a 2 week course, then out over the road for 2 to 3 months with a trainer, (no home time unless they happen to have a delivery in the town I live in), and I would have to lease a truck since they have more drivers than trucks. I went to training as usual, and watched as a class of over 100 people began to dwindle down due to various reasons..birth certificate was ripped, recruiter didn't get all previous job references (which I thought was something they should have had completed before telling you that you were hired), etc. In class instruction was just fine, but then we went to the backing range and learned to back with the help of students, not instructors and before we even learned to go forward. Me having driving experience was able to assist my fellow students. After 1 1/2 weeks, I said screw it and left. I met several friends I keep in touch with on a weekly basis who graduated and got their CDL's with CR Englands help. 1st friend, leased a truck and got into a wreck, not his fault. Instead of England giving him another truck while his was being fixed, he sat around for several weeks. Finally back on the road he was dispatched to a trailer left abandoned at a truck stop and got 70 miles down the road and was pulled over and arrested. He was told the trailer was stolen, even though the Qual Com had him dispatched to it. 2nd friends (a couple) leased a truck together and team drive. In 4 months they received their tax statement stating they made $30, 000, but have only banked $4, 000. England has received the $26, 000 for their money. 3rd friend, got broke and went elsewhere. His highest paycheck was $500 and only once. And get this, he became a trainer after a month! 4th friend was told to come back to Salt Lake City for his "upgrade" because he refused to lease a truck, but England would not send him via Greyhound, but instead wanted him to hop trucks headed that way. He was fired for a log violation during his attempt to return, and was never behind the wheel since he was trying to get back to the facility. I was fortunate enough to get a local driving job and have made more working hourly delivering farm commodities than my friends who are doing OTR driving. Please take it from me and my friend's experiences and do not go to CR England. This was August 2010. When I asked my recruiter about all of the negative publicity with England, he stated that they have made improvements and are driver oriented. Not.

Plus they always cheat you out of miles on every settlement, This is a leasing company not a trucking company, with 1500+ trucks to recover out there on the road. Now that tells one something

Cr England has not done one thing they have said they would. My husband was told he would have home time and he has not he got hurt on the job and they have not paid the medical bills. One of his checks was 5 dollars how the *** is someone suppose to live on that. We are broke I am being evicted and have to move and they still sniffled about him coming home to help me move. They are frauds and liars do not trust them!!! They flat out do not care about there drivers and their families..

I wouldnt even let CRE lick up my ball soap

I use to work for them then lefy(I should of stay from them) I was out of work from previous job so I call CR England back up and they said sure you can come back, take the three day orientaion and you'll be on the road .They lie when I got there they told me I have to go back to refresh class and pay a fee, I was cool with it I been out of a truck for 4 years so I said I'll brush up on my skill.after two weeks when the classes was over I finally go a trainer on our way back empty ou he got close to home and quit(O/O) complaint out cutting back on mileage paid so I call dispatch and they told me even I got my CDL's and a former driver coming back to the company I could not move the truck I have to wait they send someone out there from the compamy to drive it so I ask them when is the person coming and they told me you have to wait and see so I ask them will they paid for a Hotelt for me and never gotton an answer back, so that told me right there, I can my wife she gotton me a bus ticket and I was gone then 3 three weeks later they call me and ask me when I wasn't in the truck the driver is looking for me I told the they can kiss my a$$.

When I was at Salt Lake for my upgrade, had completed everything, but sure glad it was a weekend, gave me a chance to process every thing, called a cab, went and got a rental car and drove home. Got a message on my phone a week later from my TM to come down strairs so we could get myself into the leaseing program...was LMFAO

This is the second time I have leased. Like many other people here, I was lured not only by our current economy, but by the promise of MILES. Now my first couple months were not bad. Then I got into the container fleet based out of Colorado. Talk about screwed big time. The DM's in this fleet would give me the wrong info to give at the ports to get a container/genset/chassis released to me and I would wind up sitting at the port Oakland or Long Beach for the weekend. The DM Shaun would promise me compensation, and he never delivered. I was recruited into the fleet and quoted a wrong pay scale, which I was told I would be compensated for, it never happened. In this same fleet I would sit at pork plants for up to two days with no detention pay whatsoever.

Now back in a general North American fleet, I am lucky if I get 2300 miles a week. I will get to my delivery anywhere from 3 hours to 18 hours early, be unloaded, ready to go for the day and then my next load does not pick up till the next night. So there is another almost 2 days sitting with no income. I am also a trainer. I still have only one 4000+ mile week as a trainer since November. My last apprentice, going into his third week had only gotten 5200 miles in two weeks. You have read how the apprentice gets paid 57 dollars a day during training. 37 dollars of that is taken from the trainer’s pocket, because, and I quote a high ranking CR England employee..."you trainers are getting the big miles, and making the big bucks..."

My last apprentice will even tell you that he shouldn't even have his CDL, because during his CDL test, the CRE DOT evaluator was shifting the truck for this student during his DOT CDL test!!!

The only guys making money at CRE are the guys in the Autoliv, Hershey's, and fleets like that. I was given 6 days to run a Walmart apple load, with an apprentice, and was told we could not be taken off the walmart load, and had to sit it out. So I dropped the apprentice off in Indiana and got him with a trainer from the Hershey's fleet. It's really motivating to see your apprentice getting a 300 dollar check and you as a lease operator get a 45 dollar check.

And don't even call your IC advocate. I had an IC advocate tell me "...well you are clearing 503 dollars a week...what's the problem????

The only thing keeping me afloat right now is the detention pay. I love getting beef loads at this point because I know they will be up to 20 hours late loading and I get 26 dollars an hour to sit there.

No truck driving company has green grass. You can keep jumping from one company to the next, and within 3 years you probably will have driven for 5 companies.

If I can't make this work, to *** with truck driving. I would rather swallow my pride and go work a counter at a hotel in my hometown making the same crap money I am now but be home every night...

Very very true, CRE is a bull shit company, I to almost landed into their BS, My first trainer, oh boy was a real joke. First day I arrived into the Mira Loma yard to meet up with him, another employee walking by started talking to me and had informed me to run away from here as fast as possible, I thought at first oh here's a guy that just isent doing what he needs to do to make it, then getting on my trainers truck, "All I heard for 5 days was the same shit about how awefull this company is to work for. Plus I caught my trainer driving on my log time, first day when I had gotten on the truck the f-er tricked me, being green, watched me type my pass word in the qualcom, and was driving on my log time. I got the f- of his truck, reported it to my TM, who had informed me that he had numerouse complaints of the same actions.
After getting a new trainer, which I can say was an awesum trainer, we ran western region.

This poor guy had a prior trainee put his truck in a ditch and f-ed it up so it was in the shop for 45 days.
Which he had to pay for all the repairs plus the down time of not hauling, yes he could of gotten a loaner while his truck was in the shop, but he had forgotten about that, and of course no one at CRE had brought it up to this guy about that option. So of course he's getting kicked out of his place he's staying at due to the domino affect of not having any income for that 45 days.
I had gone through the Fontana School, so my CDL is from CA. so I dont have to worry about CRE thinking they can take mine, since CA is good through out all 48.
They say that you'll get 26 cpm starting out after training, BS.
Dont see how these companies get buy working the employees who are in training, that drive 11 hours a day 7 days a week, shit 4 dollars an hour.

If you plan on attending one of CRE schools, dont sweat it, they will give you "all the answers to all the test"
And you will pass your driving skills test no matter what. had some really bad class mates that should not of been allowed behind the wheel, that CRE pushed right through and got them their CDL.

If you attend the Utah school, I was informed by the students there while I was considering going for the lease, that if you dose off in class they through a foam ball at you, if that doesnt get your attention, then they throw a bag of beans at you, shit throw a bag of beans at me, you'll get a chair in the air right back at you.

Yes it is true, CRE is only in it for you to lease a truck, and if you do your at the mercy of them, my class mate who went down that road, well fist week he took home 214.00 dollars, for 7 days of driving, second week he cleared 45.00.

CRE policy now is that every new trainee is to have 50/60 K miles prior to doing an upgrade, last month they had 9 roll overs, poor guys out there having to burn the candle at both ends hoping to bring enough money home.
Shit, if a person goes for 2nd seat all they get is 12 cpm, if you wanna go for a company position you will be sitting until they come up with a truck for ya, hope the school you are at is in your home town.

This company needs to be shut down, DOT needs to due some under cover work on this one.
Maybe it will save some lives.

I submitted an online application for employment on the C.R. England (CRE) website on May 16, 2009. I was contacted by Jennifer Skinner, Senior Recruiter, with a job offer on June 11, 2009. This offer included: (1) employment after completion of four days of orientation, and (2) ten days of driving with a trainer. I accepted the offer. She offered Greyhound bus transportation to their facility in Salt Lake City, UT. I opted to fly since the departure date was on Fathers Day and it was a 9½-hour bus ride from Reno to Salt Lake City. She said that CRE would reimburse me $100 of the plane fare.

I arrived in SLC on the afternoon of June 21st. The next day, Monday, I began their orientation. That afternoon I was called back into the recruiting office with the news that there was “a problem with my paperwork”. There, I was told that my driving experience was inadequate and that I’d have to attend their school for three weeks (the cost would be deducted from my future pay) and that I would have to spend 30 days on the road with a trainer (at a reduced rate of pay). (I’d had my CDL-A for four years). I refused and said that that wasn’t what Jennifer and I had agreed upon before I left Reno. I was met with silence and a stare.

Once back in my quarters, I called Jennifer and left a message that I was awaiting her direction as how I was to be getting back home. There was never a response from her so I made the arrangements for my return for the next day, June 23rd.

Once back in Reno, I emailed Jennifer and asked what arrangements I could make for CRE to reimburse me for the money I had spent. I heard back from her on the 24th. She stated, “I guess our compliance department saw your experience different than I did.” She also asked that I send her the plane receipts for my travel and she’d see what she could do. (I emailed those to her on the 25th.) Later, she wrote, “…we reimburse for travel once an applicant is hired, so I will see if I can get an exception made.” This reimbursement policy was never discussed beforehand.

I have not heard from her since. My last email was on a July 14th, in which I said that I had not heard from her.

I contend that CRE violated a verbal contract made between myself and their Senior Recruiter. I feel that they have a well-rehearsed ploy to get prospective employees to SLC and then, once there, change their offer of employment for financial gain. Once I refused their amended offer for additional schooling and training, I, and my former training and experience, were set aside and ignored. It was obvious to me that once I was no longer a source of monetary gain, I was on my own.

Since, I’ve spoken to other drivers and they’ve said that CRE “is good for that”. “They get you there and tell you have to go through their program if you want the job. It’s hard to refuse because you’re already there and you don’t want to leave and start over.”

After not hearing from them for a month or more I contacted a lawyer with my story. He said that he’d heard about this problem with C.R. England before. He said that what they are doing is called “bait and switch”. And, the best way to approach the problem is with a civil lawsuit. Anyone interested?

Lawsuite YEs.. Love to join. ALtho I dont drive my B.f started with them. and the BS they take out of the pay!! and getting taken advantage of for hometime.. They need an eyeopener

You can stick up for CRengland if you want to, but I have been keeping track of my husband's pay stubs and they are taking money from him in places that don't belong to them. They are a low down, dirty rotten, no good company that uses their drivers and lies to their faces. DO NOT get your training or break into the world of trucking with these people. They will expect you to live on nothing while they syphon away almost every dollar that is made.